On today’s program, Jiulio shares insights on how others can also become spiritually awakened. Through his books and workshops, Jiulio encourages others to meditate, because through meditation, people can contact their “inner stillness.” “'Inner stillness' is a reflection of the inner being within you. Inner stillness is that quiet, that inner peace, that is reflected when one goes beyond the conditioned mind or the ego. When you are tuned in, or operating from inner stillness, or I described it also as the quantum field, you are operating beyond the ego. So, there is no identity. You transcend the body. You realize the body is temporary; it’s not eternal. You are not who you were. You are not your job. You’re beyond all that. So, you are actually operating from pure consciousness. When you are operating from pure consciousness, you are now in complete alignment with the 'all that is.' And the 'all that is,' is wisdom, is peace, is stillness, is understanding. So that is then allowed to fill your mind. So now you become mindful; you become mindful of spirit. And that is reflected in everything you do.” After his spontaneous spiritual awakening, Jiulio experienced several remarkable changes. “So, about a month after I’d made the shift, I was experiencing automatic writing, I was experiencing mystical events. And this particular day, I was meditating deeply on my sister’s couch one morning and I suddenly experienced a vision. I received information on what the ego was. But then I experienced an image of a wall crumbling, and it actually said 'ego' across it. And when that happened, I experienced a vision of placing my hand on my forehead, on myself, who was sitting in a wheelchair. And I saw myself in that vision healing myself. And the minute I saw that those automatic awarenesses came to me, that I was actually experiencing a healing. And I realized that in healing myself I was healing my mind and healing my soul. The joy that overcame me in that moment was so charged, the tears that came down my face were filled with such emotion, that I actually ended up with burn marks on my cheeks for a few days. It’s been a life of miracles. When I look back, everything has been one synchronicity after another. There’s not another way I can describe it.” Due to the current issues of pandemics, climate change, and widespread financial chaos, many people are experiencing suffering. At the conclusion of his interview, Jiulio shared some uplifting thoughts on this topic. “If someone has been experiencing tremendous suffering, if someone has been going through anxiety, if someone is going through some very difficult circumstances, know that these are temporary, and that there is a potential and a possibility within you to transcend and actually take those adversities and use them as catalysts for shifting consciousness. And that shifting consciousness is enlightenment. It is an understanding that you are one with everything, and that you are completely supported unconditionally, and loved unconditionally.” Many thanks, Mr. Jiulio Consiglio, for your positive and insightful words. May you be blessed for uplifting the spirits of those whose lives you touch.

Mr. Jiulio Consiglio is a renowned spiritual author, workshop facilitator, and teacher living in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. He is the author of two books, “Challenge Your Thoughts: Healing Mind, Spirit and Body with Truth” and “The Healing Frequency: Transform Your Life through the Wisdom, Power and Clarity of Inner Stillness.” His focus is on the transformative power of inner stillness, which has the ability to heal us while simultaneously expanding our esoteric abilities. Mr. Consiglio began his spiritual journey when he was 19 years old. As he was starting his post-secondary studies, he sat down in the classroom and suddenly had the first in a series of severe panic attacks that continued for many months. Over the course of the next 14 years, Jiulio continued his spiritual quest, hoping to find “another way.” However, his journey proved to be extremely painful. In addition to his recurring panic attacks, he suffered several additional traumas. Then suddenly one night, something terrifying happened. “So, one night I went to bed. And at around 3:00 AM, I was suddenly awakened by a feeling of a negative entity. And the only word I can really describe it, as it was hovering over me, I couldn’t see it, was ‘evil.’ And as I looked down at my covers, the covers were suddenly being pulled off me. I was more shocked than anything. And that is what was the lowest point, I would say, in my life. And at that point now, I was ready for another way, and I cried out for another way.” Not long after his terrifying bedtime experience, an unfathomable event occurred that forever altered Jiulio’s life. He refers to the experience as “the shift.” “…Well, that day as I was sitting in the car, I started to reflect on something that I read earlier in a book. And as I did, as audible as anything else, I heard a thought come through my chest say, ‘Challenge your thoughts.’ In that instant, the third eye, or the space between my eyebrows, began to vibrate intensely. And it automatically began to shut off negative thought. This went on throughout the day. Now in that instant, I remember clearly turning my head, looking around me, and experiencing a profound clarity. It was an instant knowing. I still had one patient to get back to, to finish. And I went back to work. And as I am working on this patient, my forehead is still going off; the vibration is still going off. I finished the patient. I am driving home and now it’s a very bad storm. So, I’m driving home, I get home, and now I can feel the force of that negativity being confronted with this vibration that’s taking place, this ‘now knowing’ that is being activated within me. And in that instant, I lay down on the couch and I said, ‘Just let me die.’ And I felt myself pop out. And I can’t tell you how long I was gone. And I came back. And in that instant, I knew that the experience was ‘dying before I die.’ And that’s that experience of ‘ego death.’ It was in one instance symbolic, and in one instance, it was quite literal. So, I popped out of my body, came back. At that instant I realized I’d experienced ego death. So now, it had lost its power to try to take control or a hold of the mind.” Thank you, Jiulio, for sharing the remarkable story of your spiritual transformation.

On today’s episode, Reverend Panagore discusses how he came to understand that God’s existence extends far beyond any religious dogma. “When I was ‘dead’ I perceived that God was beyond all religion because the Divine Being is beyond all concept and understanding and containment. The word ‘eternal’ itself or ‘infinite’ means that it can't be contained within concept. There's no gender; there's no physicality. There's no matter whatsoever. And all these words of definition aren't adequate. They don't even come close. One God, Oneness of Being is beyond capacity for humanity to understand and comprehend. And so, I came back without faith or belief, because I came back with knowledge. I know God is real.” We asked Peter about his personal mission in life, and he shared the following thoughts. “I have two missions in life. One is to be grandfather to my granddaughter, to be a substitute father, to help her adjust the best that she can in the world. That's my physical mission. But my real mission in life is the mission of everybody, which is to become channels of light, to become another node of the presence of the Divine in the world, to bring more light into the presence of the world, by getting out of the way of the light. And I think that everybody's mission is to love each other, love each other. That's the mission of life. And for those of us who are more spiritually capable, maybe born that way, or find a way to become that way, to simply become a beacon. If we can each become a channel of light, a presence of the Divine, then we have an opportunity to evolve spiritually.” At the conclusion of the interview, Reverend Panagore had one final thought to share with our global audience. “All you need to do is love. It's built into humanity. Love each other is the simplest thing there is. You just have to love the people in your life. That's all. That's a very simple thing, just love each other.” Reverend Peter Panagore, thank you for sharing your experiences and your inner wisdom. May you be blessed abundantly for your great generosity.

Peter explains that his NDEs greatly intensified his desire to turn inward. Since his first NDE, he has devoted time each day to meditation and prayer. “One of the side effects of near-death experiences, and there's a lot of them, or ‘aftereffects’ as people call them, can be a more direct relationship to the Divine. And I think a life of meditation and prayer opens one’s spiritual ear up wider and one’s spiritual eye becomes clearer.” Reverend Panagore has practiced meditation for more than 40 years. A few years ago, he had a remarkable inner experience. One evening, when he returned home after hosting a late-night broadcast program, he tried to rest. However, he found himself unable to sleep. So, he decided to meditate instead. “I decided to meditate. And as soon as I began my chant, I was plucked out of myself and carried, how do I describe this? It's like it wasn't my soul self, it was more like the combination of soul and spirit. And so I (was) plucked in, pulled outside myself and brought into an ocean of sound, some people call it the “choir of angels” or the “cosmic music.” But it was the most beautiful, complex sound of frequencies that pervaded the existence of all of the space that I was in. And it seemed like it was above the material world, but it penetrated into the material world. But I was in some sort of heaven. And I was raised rapidly up through this ocean of the Divine self, of sound, of music; all things are made of this frequency. And as I got to the very top of it, I approached the very edge of light itself. And as I got to the light, my mind became active again. And I was plummeted out, back into my body.” Peter explains that all human beings, rich or poor, high ranking or living in rags, have the same inner Light of the Divine. But what about animals? Do they also have this radiant inner Light? “I see the light inside all sentient beings. The difference with human beings is that the personas that we live within create the illusion of value. This person's more valuable than that person. The homeless person is less valuable than the CEO. That's just not true. It's not true because they're all Divinely loved by God in an equal way. Everyone is particularly loved and beloved in an egalitarian way. And I see animals the same way. I look in their eyes and I see the light. Animals are Divine beings made of Light just like human beings are.” Reverend Peter Panagore, thank you for sharing your precious, insightful, and blissful experiences. We’re grateful for your wisdom and kindness.

In his essay, “The Temporary Universe,” Dr. Lightman states how everything in our universe, even the Sun, moon and stars, is impermanent. “One of the central beliefs of Buddhism is that everything is impermanent, that everything is passing away. So even in science, we’ve learned that everything in nature is impermanent. Energy and matter, the two combined cannot be created or destroyed, just transformed.” Since matter cannot be destroyed, what happens to the physical elements in our body when we pass away? Dr. Lightman explains. “When we die, my view is that the atoms in our body just disperse. They become part of the soil, become part of the air, become part of the oceans. And eventually our atoms will become parts of other people.” In addition to being a distinguished scientist, Dr. Lightman has had spiritual experiences for which there is no scientific explanation. “I'd been watching these baby ospreys grow up all summer long. And I’ve never had any communication with any animal that was that intense. And I felt, in that split second, they were telling me that we’re brothers. We have shared this land together. And ‘Go in peace.’ And it was a wonderful feeling of kinship with these wild animals, that we were all living beings sharing this piece of land together. It was an incredible experience.” “And I lay down in the boat and turned off the engine and it got even quieter. And I just looked up at the stars. And after a few moments I felt like I was falling into infinity. I felt like I was part of something much bigger than myself. I felt a connection, not only to the stars, but to all of nature. That was what I would call a spiritual experience or transcendent experience, where I lost all track of my body and where I was and what time it was, and just felt this connection. And for me, that’s what spirituality is, that feeling of being part of something larger than ourselves, of being connected to the whole cosmos.” Dr. Lightman explains that in order to have a deeper understanding of the wonders around us, we need to spend more time in nature. “I think that our modern lifestyle is too fast, that we’re always rushing from A to B without taking time to just be present and appreciating the moment, of slowing down and just appreciating where we are and who we are. I think that our high-speed communication devices have made us feel like we need to be plugged into the grid all the time. And that is also taking us away from the moment, from the present, from just appreciating where we are. We need time to think about who we are and where we’re going and what our values are. And those moments of reflection require quiet. They require slowness.”

On today’s show he describes how his second NDE re-directed his life. “When I cause people pain, I now know that I'm going to be forgiven, which doesn't give me permission to hurt people. It's just the opposite of that; knowing that God is all love makes me aspire to be the best that I can be. It makes me understand that every time I love someone else or have an action of kindness, it's an accumulation inside myself of the treasure of Heaven. So, I, in my body now, I reoriented my life completely. I changed the course of my career. I changed the class, the graduate program I was going to go into. I ended up going into ministry, which is, from my point of view, a servant sort of living; it's a profession of compassion. And so, I try to live as compassionately as I possibly can. I'm willing to stand up when I have to stand up to be courageous, but only in the servanthood of love, not for self-serving purposes.” Reverend Panagore says that life here on Earth is just an illusion. He next shares why he believes this is so. “The whole universe is an illusion. It's a place where we live, but it's not what we are. And it seems to me, it doesn't seem to me, it actually is to me, that the only reality is the Divine itself.” Reverend Peter Panagore has had two near-death experiences during his lifetime. In both instances, when he returned to life on Earth, he suffered through a long and difficult period of adjustment. “My second near-death experience put me into a bit of a tizzy. When I first came back, I had no idea what this thing was anymore. I went into a long-term depression, probably ten years of utter sadness and longing for the Oneness of Being. And so, it took a long time to readjust. And I ended up going to divinity school, that architecture school to study mysticism. I dove inside myself. And I guess the biggest way that I learned to readjust was by diving interiorly. I found that Jesus was right, that if you seek Heaven above all things, if you focus on the oneness of being, you get access to it. And so, I wanted access to it. I wanted to strip away as much of myself as I possibly could, to create a larger channel inside myself, so that I could have access to the Divine. Through meditative practices, I opened myself up to a rapture of grace. I lifted outside of myself and brought in the Divine presence of the Oneness of Being and visions. I have visions of Heaven and light. It's the power of the Divine itself, uplifting me out of myself and sending me back to my body and giving me the gift of a series of gifts of reintegration, helping my feet be here.” Many thanks, Reverend Peter Panagore, for sharing your inspiring story with us.

On today’s program, Dr. Lightman tells us more about the origin of the universe, and why certain planets, such as Earth, have the perfect conditions to support life as we know it. “There are two possible explanations for that. One is that the universe was created by some intelligence, some Intelligent Being that wanted the universe to have life in it, and therefore chose these parameters such as the strength of the nuclear force and the amount of dark energy to have the right value to allow stars to form, to allow complex atoms to form, to allow the Earth to form and other planets to allow life to form. That’s one explanation. The other explanation is called the ‘Multiverse.’ And that is the idea that, in addition to our universe, there are many, many other universes with different properties. Some of them have a nuclear force, which is much weaker than the nuclear force in our universe. Some of them have a nuclear force which is much stronger than the nuclear force in our universe and so on. And that, in most of those other universes, life cannot start. But in some of them, the conditions are right for life. And we happen to live in one of the universes in which the conditions are right for life.” “We can’t conceive of any life that does not involve atoms. And you need stars to make atoms. All of the atoms in our bodies, except the lightest atoms, hydrogen, all of those atoms, carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, iron, all of those atoms in our bodies were actually made in stars, which is an incredible thought.” “Because what stars do, is they take the lightest atoms, hydrogen, which were there from the Big Bang, and they fuse them together to make larger atoms, like carbon and oxygen. And then some of those stars explode, and those atoms are spewed out into space. And eventually they start drawing together and coalescing to form a solar system, which forms oceans and air and soil and eventually living creatures. So, all of the atoms in our bodies except for hydrogen were made at the center of stars. We do think that atoms are necessary for life, even life very, very different from our own life. And therefore, we need the right conditions in a universe to make stars.”

Reverend Peter Panagore is an internationally renowned church pastor, inspirational speaker, and devotional storyteller, who has written several books, including the best-selling “Heaven is Beautiful: How Dying Taught me that Death is Just the Beginning.” As the former pastor of the First Radio Parish Church of America, his uplifting program, “Daily Devotions,” was broadcast every day for 15 years, with 30 million views annually. Throughout his life, Reverend Panagore has had two near-death experiences (NDEs). In our series, Reverend Panagore shares what he experienced when he seemingly “died” and how these remarkable events transformed his life. He begins by telling us about his first NDE. “I saw a little tiny spot of light come rushing toward me and expanding to fill my entire vision. And I was a singular orb of consciousness. All of my senses, my smell, taste, touch, hearing thoughts were all one thing. And I was much larger than I am as a human being. I heard a voice that had no sound telepathically speak inside me saying, ‘I love you. I made you, I know you. Nothing of you is hidden from me.’ And then I saw my life review. Only the life review I had was that I suffered all the pain that I gave away in my entire life, each individual incident of it in a sequence. The result of being born into the world is the capacity for love and the capacity to cause pain. And those two coexist. And it seemed to me that I carried all this pain with me, but the thing that I carried with me most of all was all the love that I'd given away in my life, and all the love that had been given to me in my life. And the love itself became the treasure of my being, which caused me to understand the Divine power of love.” This deeper understanding about the Divine power of love transformed Reverend Panagore, causing him to redirect his career. During his NDE, he also learned another important lesson. “In order to be filled with the oneness of being, I had to abandon my own concept of self. And what gave me the strength to endure that was the love that was given to me. Love turns out to be the absolute universal treasure of life. It's the inbuilt thing inside all humanity that allows us access to the Divine. It was the purity of love that saved me.” Many thanks, Reverend Panagore, for sharing your fascinating experiences.

Dr. Lightman is a distinguished physicist and a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in Cambridge, Masachussetts, USA. He is also an international bestselling author whose books include “Three Flames,” “The Accidental Universe: The World You Thought You Knew,” and “Einstein’s Dreams.” Dr. Lightman is the Founder and Chairman of the Harpswell Foundation, an organization that helps to empower women in Southeast Asia. Dr. Lightman has conducted extensive research on the correlation between science, philosophy, and spirituality, and his work encompasses the teachings of many religions. On today’s program he explains the difficulty of proving God’s existence through scientific means. “The question of whether science can prove or disprove the existence of God and whether the instruments that we have built are detecting some energy or force that represents God, I think this really depends upon your definition of God. Throughout history, different groups of people, different religions, different cultures have had different views of God. One view of God is called Pantheism. And, this view might be the same as in Taoism in China, that God is all of nature. And if you have this view of God, then God is everywhere around us all the time. So, it really depends upon what your understanding of God is. If you have the view that God is an intelligent being who created the universe, I think that that God cannot be proved or disproved by science, because science can never say exactly what created the universe.” Science seeks to explain the universe and other physical phenomena through various tests and experiments, using fundamental laws or principles. But some phenomena are inexplicable through scientific methods. “There are still many fundamentalist religions that view God as an Intelligent Being that purposely created the universe and even sometimes intervenes to perform supernatural events. I mean, there are supernatural events in Judaism, the parting of the Red Sea, in Islam, the splitting of the moon by [Prophet] Muhammad. There is, in Christianity, the resurrection of Christ. These are all supernatural events, which by definition have a conflict with science.” For many years, scientists have wondered how the stars and the rest of our universe came into being. One theory that many scientists support is the “Big Bang Theory,” which states that everything started from a singular event and expanded from there. “And that's about 14 billion years ago. So, we believe that was when our universe began.”Is our universe the only one in existence? Not according to scientific theory. In fact, our universe may be only one of many, perhaps even an infinite number of universes. This concept is called “Multiverse Theory.” “The ‘Multi Universe’ is a large collection of many, many universes that are out of communication with each other. But each one would have its own laws of physics. Each one would have its own nature. Some of those universes would have life, some of them would not have life. Some of them would have planets and stars. Other ones would just be pure energy.” Many thanks, Dr. Lightman, for sharing your vast knowledge about the science behind the creation of the universe.

Through his research, Mr. Ferran has discovered that plants learn, remember, feel, give, receive and share. He has also observed that they are highly sensitive to their environment, and that they perceive the world much differently than we do. Mr. Ferran believes that plants respond to us in different ways. If we treat them with kindness and respect, they respect, they respond accordingly. He believes that, as our level of consciousness rises, humans will become more and more sensitive to everything around us. Mr. Ferran hopes that, one day, humans will be able to communicate with plants without the need of electrical devices. “It’s important to try to work on that. Because human time is counted.” We already know that plants, by their very presence, contribute to our physical, mental and emotional well-being. Supreme Master Ching Hai has reminded us many times that plants, especially trees, have healing powers, as well as other gifts.

His original experiments were conducted with indoor plants, with whom he could communicate almost immediately. Later, he began to experiment with trees in the forest. “And the trees and wild plants who are much more autonomous, they tolerate us. We need to realize that, in fact, they would just need to decide, and we would no longer be here.” Mr. Ferran explains that although plants and trees are sedentary, they protect and support one another in subtle ways. He believes that we can learn a great deal from their way of life. “I think they’re much more advanced than we are in their understanding of the world.” Besides, it’s part of the tree’s messages. “He says, “Telepathy is the system of communication between us and we talk to you. You just don’t want to listen.” Supreme Master Ching Hai reminds us to be highly respectful of all beings on Earth. Several times She has told us that plants and trees have inner powers, and that they are able to protect and communicate with us.

On today’s program we’ll speak with accomplished actor, director, and author - Mr. Alexandre Ferran, of Paris, France. Through his thorough research, he has also become a renowned expert in understanding the ability of plants to communicate through music and words. “At the beginning of the 20th century there was an Indian called Mr. Bose who created a device called the crescograph, which made it possible to read in an accelerated way the movements of plants.” “In fact, in science, what we notice is that all the people who are plant lovers are able to demonstrate that they have a conscience, and emotions, and the capacity for understanding, of intelligence, etc.” Plants can also understand and respond to what people say. As Mr. Ferran shows us how plants can use the communication device to communicate through the language of music.

On today’s program, we’ll learn more about Ms. Tricia Barker’s lessons from Heaven. Ms. Barker believes that overcoming fear is one of life’s greatest challenges. In the classroom, she teaches students one technique for doing so. “And it’s generally fear that prevents us from being in that flow of God. And I just began to show them, ‘You have other options.’ So, I could teach them how to be different, how to look at this world differently.” Through her near-death experience, Ms. Barker came to understand the inter-connectedness of all beings on Earth. She shares how, in each moment, we can help make the world a better place. “And I think that’s maybe one of the most important things we can do is to spread that love and that light across this planet. You can help in more situations than you think you're capable of helping.” “I think near-death experiences help people have greater faith in god. But I wish everybody could every day feel the love of God, feel the energetic experience of God, because there's nothing better.”

Through her near-death experience, Ms. Barker came to understand more clearly how to live a happier, more fulfilling life. She generously shares these concepts with her students, including an insightful technique for overcoming depression. “When you focus on the self, you’re not happy. When you’re focused on giving love to the world, you are happy. When you’re in the flow of God, when you’re giving love to this world, you’re connected to that love again. And sometimes people are hurting so deeply that just meditation is a place to begin to connect a little bit of that peace and that love of God. There’s so many ways to begin that practice. But if you take that time, and you ask for that loving energy of God to come into your life, in that moment, in that meditation, in that prayer, sometimes it does flow through you, and it does take away that fear and that pain.” After 20 years of integrating her phenomenal experience into her life, Ms. Barker wrote a book about her near-death experience and has been grateful about how her book is able to touch others, awakening something within them as well.

On today's program, Ms. Barker continues to share some of the many insights from her near-death experience. She begins by explaining how time is very different in Heaven. "It was only two-and-a-half minutes that I was dead. That realm is eternal, and that realm is without time." While in Heaven, God taught Ms. Barker many lessons about her life. One important lesson was to be kinder toward others. "I saw how I could have been nicer to people at work. I could have been kinder." Previously Ms. Tricia Barker told us that during her near-death experience she saw several angels, whose light helped to heal her. Since then, she has maintained a connection with the angels. "So, I remembered to call on God, to call on the angels and to use their guidance. I'm not 100% sure, but I do think that we have guardian angels. When I call on them for help, then they're there. So, they're certainly on my path with me."

On today’s program we’ll hear from Ms. Tricia Barker, an English professor at Tarrant County College in Fort Worth, Texas, USA. A near-death experiencer, Ms. Barker is the author of “Angels in the OR.” During her college years, Ms. Barker had a serious car accident and nearly lost her life. While out of her body, Ms. Barker realized that she could observe normal events, an experience that scientists call veridical perception. While in Heaven, Ms. Barker learned many lessons, including a very important one: “See people’s hearts, know their goodness and be different in that way.” Next, Ms. Barker shares her incredible experience communicating with God as she learned about her life’s purpose. “I saw that I had to be a teacher. And I had to return, and I had to teach others to live and love, and not in fear.”

After her near-death experience, Ms. Sharp could see or feel the presence of angels. "Yes, everybody has what we call guardian angels. And I see them in places where comfort is needed: hospitals, libraries. So sometimes the angels come to us because we need comfort, sometimes we need guidance, sometimes we need to be tripped and fall so that we learn how to get up on our own. They have assignments. It's fascinating. I love it." When Ms. Sharp had her near-death experience, she learned that the purpose of her life on Earth was to be of service to others. "Everything in terms of how to live one's life boils down to love, actually.There are many forms of love. Sometimes it's opening the door for someone who's struggling. Sometimes it's helping someone cross the street. Sometimes it's listening to someone very boring on the phone, but you're doing a kindness."

On today's show, Ms. Sharp explains some of the profound effects these near-death experiences had on her life. "When I came back, nothing made sense. And so, it's been very easy. So, another after effect of my near-death experience is that I understood death so well and I had no fear of it. So, I could be around people dying or their families or loved ones and be very calming and very sincere." According to one study, about 70% of the people who have had a near-death experience report meeting their loved ones who have already passed over. "But the effect it has on the near-death experiencers who have that experience is such peace because they know that they will be with their loved ones again. And so that ache and longing goes away. And they know that now at some point it will happen. And so that’s a comfort that is precious."

Ms. Sharp is the author of “After the Light: The Spiritual Path to Purpose,” and the Founder of Seattle International Association for Near-Death Studies. On today’s program, Ms. Sharp describes her own near-death experience, which occurred when she was a 22-year-old college student. “In the emergency room. I then found myself in another place entirely. And then something showed up. That “something

Where does that come from? Is the thought coming from the individual? So, an analogy I like to use is the Sun and clouds. So, the Sun being consciousness and clouds being our mental state or our brain, things that are blocking the rays of consciousness to come in. And when we do things like meditate or a near-death experience is maybe the best example where all the clouds go away. There are ways of removing clouds so that more rays of consciousness come in. But I think methods like meditation, sensory deprivation, yoga, these are ways to remove some of the clouds and then maybe we get a spark of creativity and we don't know where it came from, but it's kind of that ray of consciousness getting in.